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Okay, so just to be clear…

December 5, 2008 by

not Mockingbird sacrificing herself to save her husband and teammates?

not Mockingbird dying to save Clint, and not turning into a Skrull?

not Mockingbird turning up with her fellow dead Avengers as the Legion of the Unliving?


…and, finally, a wasted trip to Hell (well aside from springing Patsy Walker)?

Well that makes no sense at all!
That, that…

…well, okay then…

Sigh. I’m such a softy.

But I really wanted Clint to answer ‘Donna Karan’.

I wonder – could Clint reclaim ‘Hawkeye’ and Echo reclaim the ‘Ronin’ identity?

Please?

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You know how there’s a Secret Invasion: Requiem issue being solicited with no hint as to who’s being mourned?

And you know how it looks like Wasp’s going kablooey in the last issue of Secret Invasion?

Well…last week on MySpace Comics, Joe Quesada printed the first page of Dan Slott’s first script for Mighty Avengers – and if you ask me, that first panel description tells a story.

Panel One – We open on a “worm’s eye view” of the FOUNDERS STATUE outside of AVENGERS MANSION (see ref). We don’t need to see the mansion in this panel because we’re going to pull back to a proper establishing shot in Panel Two.For the purpose of this shot, we don’t even get a full view of the FOUNDERS STATUE. HULK, IRON MAN, CAP, and THOR should be cropped so that only parts of them are in frame. The FOCUS of the panel is firmly on the GIANT MAN part of the statue, heroically pointing forward, with a tiny statue of the WASP poised on his finger.In the sky above, dark clouds are brewing. And through a gap in the sky we can see a small, green figure flying through the air, with a large yellow cape unfurled behind them. (This is VISION from the YOUNG AVENGERS, but he’s too far away to make out.)

The emphasis in bold is mine – but honestly, it doesn’t stretch the imagination to say that I think that two founding members are going to die next issue of Secret Invasion to stop the Skrulls. It’s a given, I think, that most of those replaced by Skrulls are still alive (you know that Bendis’ Spider-Woman series is going to star Jessica Drew no matter how much he evades the question), and that would make sense if they kept them in case they needed to ‘clone’ them again – so I predict a bust-out of prisoners in the final issue.

And I can see Hank Pym’s final act of sacrifice being to take Jan away from the rest of the world – maybe shrinking them both sub-atomic so that her explosion doesn’t kill everyone else. Sure, Hank could shrink Jan on her own but…
…in spite of it all, Hank Pym’s a hero and he loves Jan – and if he needs to die to save the world and make sure that Jan doesn’t die alone then I think that’s what he’ll do.
Well, it’s a theory…
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Metabunker picked up on the wholesale slaughter of Skrulls by the Avengers in the latest issue of Secret Invasion (thanks Blog@) noting that there used to be a time when most heroes didn’t kill, no matter who they were fighting.
Clint Barton no longer goes by that code, obviously. Geez, you bring back a guy’s dead wife for five minutes and he gets all uppity…

I suppose that this is going to be justified by some ‘this is a time of war’ rhetoric and will be quickly forgotten by most involved.
I’m relatively sure that the Avengers’ execution of the Supreme Intelligence in Operation Galactic Storm was swept under the rug. Interesting that Clint Barton – then Goliath was against that killing…

At least the Black Knight’s consistent. He delivered the killing stroke in Galactic Storm and he’s quite happy to lop Skrull’s heads off in the excellent Captain Britain and MI:13. That’s what fighting in the Crusades will do for you, I guess.


In fact, aside from one follow up issue of Captain America where Cap tried to tell everyone how disappointed he was in them, and his subsequent quitting of the Avengers in a huff for a time, I don’t even remember the execution being much of an issue ever again.

What irks me more about the situation is that Marvel has gone out of its way to show that if a Skrull truly believes themselves to be the person they’re impersonating, as some of the Savage Land Skrulls did, then they’re actually capable of being that person.
That’s the whole principle behind the returned Captain Marvel.
In that case, the wholesale slaughter of these Skrulls is tantamount to killing the heroes themselves. If you are what you make of yourself and believe yourself to be, can’t you aspire to be that thing?
Apparently not if you’re a Skrull.
I can understand some characters gleefully offing everyone in sight – Black Widow, for example – but when it comes to Clint, Spidey, Luke Cage…it just feels wrong.
I guess at least Luke Cage didn’t kill Jewel…although from future solicits I suspect that that Jessica Jones may not be the only Skrull.
Also annoying is that all the heroes from the ship that crashed in the Savage Land turned out to be Skrulls. Having at least a couple – obviously not ones with starring roles in current comics – turn out to be the real deal would have been a great idea. Instead, they seem to have been a convenient plot device to keep the Avengers from New York. I can’t help but think a platoon full of Super Skrulls could have done the same thing in a far more permanent fashion.
It was just one giant plot device – and that’s not great writing.
I had such high hopes for this crossover as well…
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I posted a few items earlier this week that I need to go back and comment on thanks to a couple of things that have come up in the last day or two…and here’s the first

Spider-Skrull Revisted!

Earlier this week I posted that I didn’t buy that Bendis had planned Spider-Woman as a Skrull from the start, and it was either a recent development or she was actually just ‘playing’ Skrull to see who she can flush out.
Well, in Secret Invasion #3 she certainly seems to be playing that role to a tee – zapping Echo in spite of the fact that she knows that she’s not a Skrull and trying to convince Tony that he is a Skrull…and if he is, I’ll eat my hat.

Thing is, I could still see this as ‘playing Skrull’ – she takes Echo out in case there’s a Skrull about watching her, and plays Tony to check he isn’t a Skrull himself.
Except…Bendis says in this interview that she is a Skrull, has been since the start of New Avengers, and it’s always been planned that way:

And the whole time I was writing her I’d think those fans are going to fucking lose their shit because we’ve had this planned since “New Avengers” #1. You can go back to issue #1 and see hints. There’s not a segment of the readership that I haven’t felt worse about doing this to than the Spider-Woman fans. I want to express publicly that your love of the character will not be lost.

Now you know why the “Spider-Woman” series didn’t happen. We thought about doing it and having her revealed as a Skrull in the first issue of her series. Last year, we we’re going to do the series and at the end of the issue she’d do something wrong, go off somewhere private and revert to Skrull form. It would be like, “Woah! The lead character of the book isn’t who she thought she was!” I wrote it, but in the end I just thought it wasn’t selling somebody what they thought you were selling them. But if you did it as part of a team book it’s much less bullshitty. You expect things to happen in a team book but if you’re buying “Spider-Woman,” you want Spider-Woman.

Apparently that last bit doesn’t apply if you’re buying Captain Marvel...Anyway, I still call shenanigans on this one, and not just because I like the word. Too much doesn’t make sense for her to be replaced by Skrulls, although in the comments on my previous post, reader The Line says:

i notice that in issue 2 jessica’s eyes were brown up until she fell into some water at the raft and wasent seen the rest of the issue. in issue 3 we didn’t even see how she got away but her eyes turned green and havent changed back to brown

If that’s right and it was indeed planned, then I think that instead of shenanigans, I call sloppy writing and plotting because there are just too many plot holes!

Shenanigans, sloppy writing or am I being too harsh? You decide!
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So, the last part of the returnees – are these guys the originals?

Hawkeye

Doubtful.
It’s funny but it would be the easiest thing in the world to make this Hawkeye the real Hawkeye – but I don’t think he will be. Clint’s been so much in the past few years, with two deaths and resurrections, not to mention playing an important role in Fallen Son, and I just don’t think that guy will turn out to be a Skrull.

Scarlet Witch

Given her role in Avengers Disassembled, I seriously doubt this is the original – unless, of course, the real reason that that Wanda lost the plot was because she couldn’t reconcile her Skrull sleeper agent self. Or maybe Skrulls can’t handle magic too well.

That would revamp Wanda and allow her to be used again.

So, maybe again.

Jewel

Okay, given Alias I think that this is highly, highly, unlikely to be the real Jessica Jones. That said, if anyone could do this it’s Bendis – she was his creation, he’s written most of her appearances so if he wants to do this then he certainly can.

But still, I’m going say no, this Jessica is a Skrull.

Mockingbird

Interesting one. Mock died years ago – and IIRC has actually been seen in hell, helping Patsy Walker out – but her reveal as a Skrull would make some kind of sense.

There was a point where Mock and Hawkeye split up and she suddenly turned up as a governmental spy (in Byrne’s West Coast Avengers run) so that would certainly be an easy time to point to a change in her. It would also play havoc with the real Clint’s life to have her back.

So I’m going out on a limb and saying yes, this Barbara Barton is the real thing from roundabout that time.

Captain America

No.

How gullible do you think we are?

Ms Marvel


Also no – unless the Ms Marvel that Rogue absorbed memories and power from was actually a Skrull, because she ditched this costume way before that.

On the other hand, this would have been a perfect time to replace her

But still, no.

Wolverine

With this mask?

That would mean virtually every single appearance of Wolverine was actually of a Skrull.

And that at one point, a Skrull replaced another Skrull to pose as him.

Right…

So…some definite maybes in the returners but none we can say for sure (even if I think yes).

But what about the Avengers on the ground?

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Now where were we? Oh yeah…

Wonder Man
This is a tough one. I think that the Wonder Man we’ve seen around lately has been a little bit Skrully – but I don’t think that means that this Wonder Man is the real thing.

See, I’m pretty much convinced that the Wonder Man brought back to life by Scarlet Witch was the real deal – but at some point after that (and probably after Kang War), I think he got replaced. This particular Wonder Man, though – the safari jacket hasn’t been part of his outfit since before his West Coast Avengers time (except for his recent Mighty Avengers stint) so I’m inclined to say this is a Skrull.

It’s all about sartorial choices!
Invisible Woman

No. Sue Storm gave birth not to long ago, and I think between that and the whole Reed-Sue marriage stress, its unlikely that the Sue running around is a Skrull – otherwise they wouldn’t have needed to replace her to blow up the Baxter Building, would they?

Phoenix

Well…

Ignoring the fact that Phoenix ‘died’ way before Galactus chowed down on the Skrull throneworld, if this was the real Jean, then this would mean either (a) a Skrull disguised as Phoenix actually had the Phoenix power during the Dark Phoenix saga, or (b) the Jean Grey that returned from the dead for the original X-Factor team was a Skrull…both of which seem unlikely.

However, Jean briefly returned to the green and yellow for a time during Steve Seagle’s run on X-Men so she could have been taken then. I’m pretty sure she exhibited some kind of Phoenix effect after this prior to her death at the end of Morrison’s run, but maybe that could have been faked by fancy-schmancy Skrull science.

This would actually be pretty interesting – we’d get a Jean Grey back still in love with Cyclops prior to his leaving her for Emma…and it would also get around the usual Jean Grey resurrection issues.

So…maybe.

Vision

No.

This?

Android, not Skrull.

Iron Man

No. Too much has happened to Tony Stark to make his exposure as a Skrull too easy. So, no.

Unless…this Iron Man is Jim Rhodes, circa Secret Wars. That would mean that all of War Machine’s adventures were the adventures of a Skrull. I could live with that.

So it’s a ‘maybe’ again.

It brings up an interesting question of just when these heroes were taken (if they were) – maybe it wasn’t all in one fell swoop; maybe they’ve been picked up over time. That would make things a little more interesting…

To be continued!

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Who do you trust?

March 31, 2008 by

Looks like Skrull Cap’s got a headache.

You’d have a headache too with all the possible Caps running around: Bucky-Cap, Red Skull’s Cap, Avengers/Invaders Cap and maybe a Skrull Cap too?
I’m hoping that by the end of the year (well, the end of the Avengers/Invaders book) we’re back to just good old Bucky-Cap. I’m actually ready for Steve Rogers to be permanently, unequivocally, unresurrectably, definitely dead.
I just somehow doubt he will be…
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Marvel Online has a nifty internet-only (for now; I’m sure it’ll be reprinted in the trade) prologue to Secret Invasion up, which reveals the identity of a Skrull – or at least reveals who that Skrull has been posing as since just after Captain America #25.

No, I’m not telling, go read it and find out. You need to register with Marvel to read the entire prologue but you don’t need to sign up for the digital comics service.
If the person in the preview is dead, it marks the death of one of the oldest characters in Marvel’s stable – and also sadly nullifies some nice character interaction that this character has had in another book recently.

In fact, I’m tempted to go and re-read those issues to see if this hangs together…and just how much information that was obtained in them – because I’m relatively certain that there was something involving access to the Negative Zone and a method of transporting all of New York there.

That’s not good…

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This was kind of one of the more obvious candidates for a Skrull given recent behavior in the MU (want to take bets on Cap being one of the next teasers?), but like most of the images released so far I think that Iron Man won’t be a Skrull simply because it’s too easy.
I think the main interesting point with Secret Invasion is that its unlikely that too many characters will have been Skrulls for extended periods (and definitely not if they have their own title) – more likely I think is that certain appearances by characters will be revealed to have been Skrulls.
The problem is that this will probably pave the way to fans labelling certain appearances that they feel are out of character as Skrulls anyway…
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Marvel Skrulls

February 19, 2008 by

Marvel have just premiered the Secret Invasion double cover variants for Ms Marvel #25 and Captain Marvel #4 by Terry Dodson and damned if they don’t look good.

Is it just me or is Ms Marvel’s 70s costume so much better than her current one? Now if her book was better…

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And the Skrull is…

February 8, 2008 by
Marvel’s newly-released McNiven variant to the upcoming Secret Invasion #1 has made me realise who the biggest Skrull of all was.
Obviously, the Beyonder was a Skrull.
It would certainly explain the screwed up mess that was the Illuminati #3

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The Skrulls are here…

January 15, 2008 by

…the new look ones, that is.

Over at Superpouvoir, there’s an interesting sketch (almost a watercolor* really), apparently by Lenil Yu – looks like everyone’s favorite shapechangers are getting a makeover…

And incidentally, if you were a shapechanging alien, wouldn’t you try to change so you don’t look like everyone else on your planet. I’m not saying all Skrulls look alike to me or anything but…

Thanks to David for the link!

*I am bowing to the pressure of my new home country and trying to spell things the American** way.

** Which is to say the wrong way.

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Yesterday was DC, today is Marvel’s turn for the Skrulltempber solicits!

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #544, FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN #24 – One More Day kicks off in style with two parts this month – and presumably the final issue of FNSM. I have to admit, I love these covers…and I can’t wait for it to be revealed that the real May died in ASM #400 – and ever since she’s been a Skrull!
X-FACTOR #23 – I’m not sure why but this is still hit and miss for me. And I sure don’t trust Quicksilver, sowing discontent…

X-MEN #203 – So now Mystique has jumped ship to the Marauders? Shape-changing Mystique? Who’s been locking lips with Iceman, of all people? Need I say more?

X-MEN: EMPEROR VULCAN #1 (of 5) – Glad to see this book following up on Havok et al’s war against Emperor Vulcan, although would it have been too much to ask for it to be called Starjammers? I have to say, I never really trusted Lilandra – she’s far too shifty in the way she…hey! Could it be?!?

Good grief, this whole Skrull thing got real old, real fast didn’t it?

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Spot the Skrull!

June 15, 2007 by

Okay, with the New Avengers #31 revelations – not to mention the sneak preview of New Avengers #32 I posted yesterday - and Bendis’ interviews on CBR and Newsarama, let’s consider who’s a Skrull and how…

Elektra – definitely Skrull. And dead to boot. Bendis mentions that she was killed twice in Wolverine‘s Enemy of the State. I recall the first time – when the Hand captured her – but when was the second? Irrespective of that, I think that having her continue to lead the Hand at the end of that arc is somewhat contradictory to how she had been portrayed in the few years previous in the MU. As a result I suspect that she was replaced at some point in that storyline – although she showed up in Daredevil helping him since then…

So where’s the real Elektra? My gut says currently six feet under – but she’s been there before…

Jessica Jones-Cage and the Baby – Does the baby even have a name? The baby was born post M-Day, so it isn’t a mutant – and those glowing green eyes would sure suggest Skrull-ism. Add to that that Jess isn’t breast feeding (more the fact that it was in the comic, not that that’s not a valid choice) and I think you can add her to the list of the Skrull-ified. So when were they replaced?

Well, we never did see them return from Canada after they fled there during the Civil War, did we? So my money’s on them still being up there wondering why Luke hasn’t called.

Other Suspects – well, there are a few aren’t there?

Spider-Woman – her double-triple-quadruple crossing since her return has been kind of questionable, so what if she’s one of them? It would explain why she was choking after Doc Strange cast a ‘root out the evil’ spell a while back, right? As for when she was replaced, after the Hydra guy found her – because he’s a Skrull too. Not only that but Mark Bagley’s interview suggested that he’ll be drawing both Ms Marvel and Spider-Woman during his Mighty Avengers stint – so at the very least she appears to be switching teams.

Maria Hill – She came out of nowhere and managed to become head honcho of SHIELD when Fury did a runner. She influenced Civil War by trying to arrest Cap immediately. Plus she’s in a perfect position to do all the evil stuff SHIELD did back at the start of New Avengers.

Miriam Sharpe - Okay, I just don’t like her…

Colossus – Mike suggested this one, and while I can certainly see where he got the idea from I can’t see Whedon going along with it. Beside, who says he’s going to survive Astonishing X-Men#24?

In fact, Mike was on a roll – suggesting Norman Osborne and Cap aswell. As Skrulls revert to their true form on death, Cap seems like a no-no. I also think Norman is somewhat negated as a choice by the fact that he is clearly bat-shit crazy on meds – unless the Skrulls identities are buried so deep that they don’t even know they’re Skrulls till they’re ‘activated’.

Bendis also hinted that maybe not all of the Illuminati may have made it off the planet in Illuminati #1so some of them may be Skrulls. I think that’s a red herring; having had Reed Richards, Doc Strange, Iron Man, Namor or Xavier being Skrull replacements for the past thirty years worth of comics would be absolutely ridiculous – the majority of them have been through so much – not to mention starring in books for most of that time. As for Black Bolt, seems that would invalidate lots of books including the currently running Silent War so I don’t buy that either.

Ms Marvel’s agent, whatever her name is, seems a shoo-in (shoe-in?) – she appears to have been manipulating Carol from the start of that book.

Hank Pym’s also been suggested and I would love the real Pym to be off trapped in a cupboard somewhere – but again, all the meds he’s taking and his general ‘woe is me’ attitude seems a little too self-pitying for a Skrull.

Unless…meds are needed to keep them in their forms for prolonged periods? So maybe Norman Osborne and Pym are Skrulls? Gah. My head’s exploding.

I’ll throw a few other names out there as well – Emma Frost has certainly been through some character changes in the past few years, Luna (Pietro and Crystal’s child), Callisto, Ares on Mighty Avengers certainly bears little resemblance to the Ares of years gone by, Storm’s gone awfully submissive with her marriage and all, Magneto’s been swinging from positive to negative for years now…the list goes on and on and on….

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New Avengers #32 Spoilers!

June 14, 2007 by
I’ve exclusively found out that following the revelations of New Avengers #31, next issue – New Avengers #32 – will see the Fantastic Four’s Thing joining Luke Cage to expose a key supporting cast member as a Skrull!

And a few panels from a climactic scene inside the book as the Thing forces the Skrull agent to reveal herself…

“Yer lovin’ wife is a stinkin’ SKRULL!”

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